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By: Lindsey http://www.veganise.me/animal-rights-vs-human-rights-part-1#comment-35892 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:34:01 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=356#comment-35892 First of all, PETA is not the only representative of the animal rights movement. Many people in the animal rights movement are completely against PETA. I’m not defending Ingrid Newkirk, but voluntary human extinction isn’t some evil thing. Key word being VOLUNTARY, meaning no one is coercing anyone to do anything against their will also meaning that you still retain the right to exist. What is so horrible about the human race becoming extinct? As long as no one is killed or harmed in the process, what does it matter? Maybe we can start worrying if she’s supporting INVOLUNTARY human extinction.

And again, there are many nonviolent activists who support full rights for animals, and the have nothing to do with the ALF, never harming people or property.

You can’t just come in here being an alarmist without knowing all your facts; there’s a huge part of the animal rights community that doesn’t make as much noise as PETA that you seem to know nothing of. Please check out http://www.abolitionistapproach.com and read any books by Gary Francione. He supports nonviolent activism and is 100% against PETA.

Why should rights be based on intelligence? Human babies and people with mental impairments don’t meet sapient requirements, so do they not deserve the right to be free from exploitation? Some animals have more intelligence than three-year-old children.

Cultural genocide?! Give me a break! Geno = PEOPLE, cide = killing. Culture is just a human construct; it’s not a sentient OR sapient being – who cares if it dies?! So following this line of reasoning, we never should have abolished human slavery because it killed off past cultures in the process. ALSO, no activist can FORCE people to not eat meat; all they can do is try to persuade them. Surely you can’t be against that, and if you are, you must not be a fan of free speech.

Just as I wouldn’t justify testing on human babies to find a cure for AIDS, I wouldn’t justify testing on animals. Also, animal testing is not some foolproof method. Have you ever heard of thalidomide? That is one example of animal testing gone horribly wrong for humans. We’ve been animal testing for over a century, and it sure as hell isn’t some wonderful messiah to save us from disease.

Thank you for your polite comment; however I FULLY support giving equal rights to humans and animals.

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By: DeathtoPETA http://www.veganise.me/animal-rights-vs-human-rights-part-1#comment-35858 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:28:28 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=356#comment-35858 You make a good point through in your post. However, you seem to be using the wrong wording in your argument. From your post, I think that your are actually an animal welfare supporter, with a few more radical elements involved. I have no issue with animal welfare, and an part of my local humane society. However, the position of animal rights is a extremist and idiotic notion. You see, an animal, whether looking from a evolutionist or creationist perspective, is NOT equal to a human. From a evolutionist perspective, the human brain is capable of higher thought, making humanity sapient, not sentient. Sapience, the ability to reason, is what gives humans rights. Even very young or mentally deficient humans are capable of basic levels of reasoning. Animals are not. Animal rights will inevitably wreck havoc on humanity if practiced, no matter whether intended or not. Firstly, eating meat is not just a way of getting nutrition. Meat is a large part of many cultures around the world, from Japan to Britain. Following that premise, not letting people eat meat is not simply radical or inconvenient, it’s an act of CULTURAL GENOCIDE. To enforce vegetarianism, not to even mention vegan ism, would fly directly in the face of the UN declaration of Human Rights. Even worse, Animal Rights opposes any and all animal testing. Including disease testing. As said aptly by Ingrid Newkirk, founder of PETA, “Even if animal testing produced a cure for AIDS, we’d be against it”. Stopping animal testing would cause the deaths of millions of people with currently incurable diseases such as Alzheimer or AIDS. Animal testing SAVES LIVES. And some groups, like the Animal Liberation front or the animal liberation militia, take it even further, committing acts of ARSON, VANDALISM, or even MURDER to try to oppose testing. Some say that there are better alternatives out there, but what alternatives? Computer simulations won’t work, since we can only code all the variables of the test AFTER we know what the variables are, which would require testing on a living being, an you obviously can’t test on humans. Finally, there’s a matter of escalation. Have you ever heard of LES U. Knight, an author that is believed to be pseudonym for Ingrid Newkirk. She advocates VOLUNTARY HUMAN EXTINCTION. That’s right, OMNICIDE just to “help” the earth. Even worse, some animal rights activist have jumped the shark and support her. That supports “Human Rights”? I think that we have the right to EXIST. I’m not saying that you support this, but I wanted to show you the dark side o what your saying. Animal welfare is good, but please, please, don’t support animal rights

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By: Leafy http://www.veganise.me/animal-rights-vs-human-rights-part-1#comment-157 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:55:39 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=356#comment-157 Very well said, Lindsey! I can’t wait for the second installment — it’s hard to imagine what your friend could have said to that.

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By: gunnard http://www.veganise.me/animal-rights-vs-human-rights-part-1#comment-152 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:21:30 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=356#comment-152 Right on, its such a difficult coversation to have with someone who just /doesn’t/ get it. Compassion shouldn’t be limited to humans, but to all living creatures.

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