Justifying the unjustifiable

Edward

Taking the usual meat eater’s justification for continuing their practice, it’s easy to put things into perspective and see how others have justified their actions, however atrocious they seem to the ones who don’t agree with them.

Animals taste good and since I am more powerful I feel I have the right to eat them. Animals are inferior beings, they don’t have our level of intellect so I don’t see anything wrong with eating them. They were bred for this purpose so their suffering is non-important as long as I get meat on my plate. Our society has eaten animals for hundreds of years, it’s a part of our culture and I’m not the one who’ll change that.


Slaves are useful and since I am more powerful I feel I have the right to own them. Blacks are inferior beings, they don’t have our level of intellect so I don’t see anything wrong with using them. They were bred for this purpose so their suffering is non-important as long as the job gets done. Our society has enslaved other races for hundreds of years, it’s a part of our culture and I’m not the one who’ll change that.


Women bring me pleasure and since I am more powerful I feel I have the right to rape them. Women are inferior beings, they don’t have our level of intellect so I don’t see anything wrong with raping them. They were born for this purpose so their suffering is non-important as long as I get pleasure. Our society has raped women for hundreds of years, it’s a part of our culture and I’m not the one who’ll change that.


Jews are not a pure race and since I am more powerful I feel I have the right to kill them. Jews are inferior beings, they don’t have our level of intellect so I don’t see anything wrong with killing them. They are bred for this purpose so their suffering is non-important as long as Germany is free from them. Our society has killed inferior tribes for hundreds of years, it’s a part of our culture and I’m not the one who’ll change that.


If the above comparisons sound far fetched to you, it’s worth remembering that your current views would sound equally far fetched to those people. I think the time has come to extend our morals to respect all creatures capable of suffering, regardless of color, race, gender or species.

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15 Responses to “Justifying the unjustifiable”

  • Lindsey Says:

    Whoa – great parallels!! You always come up with such creative posts.

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    Edward Reply:

    thank you! I think it’s crucial to present people with what they already understand and put it into perspective for them.

    Most people speak with the voice of habit and cultural norms, but if they listened to themselves I believe they’d see how flawed their logic is.

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  • Tim Says:

    So… we should stop lions from eating wildebeests?

    Obviously unnecessary, excessive and mechanised exploitation is a uniquely human trait — but I think it is equally unethical (and discriminatory) to starve out a tribe who subsist on meat/fish that is hunted sparingly, sustainably and with reverence for life.

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    Edward Reply:

    Clearly we cannot expect lions to make moral judgements – they rape, they kill each other, they kill their own young if necessary.

    We don’t compare ourselves to them in any other way, so why would we simply to justify an action which we understand is wrong and unnecessary?

    We do have a unique ability to make moral judgement, and because of that ability we also have an obligation to act on it.

    I would not argue with a tribe who subsist on meat/fish if they require them for for survival. Not the case in our society, making eating meat inexcusable.

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    Ilmari Reply:

    I take issue of contention with this entire post honestly, all your arguments are weighted with implicit assumptions. Whether it’s “all meat eaters are indifferent where their meat for consumption comes from” to Jews being a race when being Jewish is religion and cultural identity.

    Jews are as much a race as Catholics or Mormons. More over your remarks about Rape and Slavery being “part of our culture” is misworded, where they were once a common legal or promoted practice(more specifically when invading other lands) in Barbarism or the Middle ages neither of these are legal or promoted anymore. Where they are part of a cultural history (dependent on what culture is your own) it’s by no means part of our modern culture.

    You don’t see people going town to town in America(my assumption of where the writer is from culturally) raping, pillaging and making slaves of the men he encounters.

    I appreciate the point you’re trying to make about how some people rationalize eating meat but you make your own point invalid by rationalizing yourself to a much greater extent. Essentially your point is being made slinging the same rationalized mud the people you’re trying to reach do subconsciously.

    More over homo sapiens have been eating meat in whatever form they could find for thousands of years (lest we get into a Young Earth argument with anyone of Creationist belief) and in doing so the greater protein enabled our brains to grow larger consequently on the evolutionary scale, giving you, the writer, the ability to make your poorly illustrated point.

    Just pointing out the irony in that.

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    Edward Reply:

    Where the meat comes from doesn’t really matter, what matters is that by eating meat you are giving yourself the right to taste that meat and withdrawing the animal’s rights not to be killed.

    Is slavery ok so long as slaves are treated well?
    Is Nazism ok so long as non-arians are treated well and killed humanely?
    Is rape ok so long as the women are treated nicely during it?

    The reason these things are bad are not just because of the way they are normally conducted. So eating “humane” meat is no less despicable than having a slave you treat well yet will ultimately kill once they can no longer do the job.

    Jews are not a race:
    Whether they are or not was irrelevant to the Nazis. Just like “humans are also animals” is irrelevant to meat eaters who put themselves above animals and decide they should get different sets of rights.

    Eating meat allowed our brains to grow:
    Firstly, that’s debatable and unproven, it’s a theory – if protein makes brains grow then all carnivores would be as smart as humans, right? I’m not saying I don’t believe it might be correct, but if it is, past necessity still doesn’t justify present behavior.
    Slavery might have been a necessity in the past which helped us build our civilisations, but that doesn’t mean we should continue doing it.

    The point of the post was to put things into perspective. A slave master would have defended and rationalised his actions with as much passion as a meat eater defends theirs today.

    The point is, just because we’re “different” doesn’t mean we should have different rights. Our rights should be shared on the parts that we are equal.

    Can we both suffer? Yes. So why do we have the right not to suffer and other animals don’t?

    bekka Reply:

    I am 15 years veg and, though I am soft-hearted and generally upset by killing or violence in any form, even in nature, where it’s…well…natural, I have much more respect for anyone who kills their own food, observes suffering, death – acknowledges the process, rather than sticking their fingers in their ears and refusing to hear of it. If it’s a choice
    between consuming another being and starving to death, I’m pretty sure I’d do what I needed to survive, and I can’t hold anything against anyone who does the same.

    However, if we’re speaking in terms of the U.S., which I assume we are, well – for the most part, we have a choice. We have supermarkets and factories that produce food for us, and we don’t need to hunt to live. Yet we breed living, feeling animals in vast numbers – largely in inhumane conditions, and using vast amounts of water, grain and fuel (while less fortunate countries do without these) to be mass slaughtered in the most efficient – not the most kind – fashion
    for what is essentially our pleasure (“it tastes good!”) and convenience. This process is what I took this post to be aimed at, not an animal hunting prey with its own teeth in the wild, or a human hunting for food for survival…the act of breeding creatures that can feel fear and pain for our own pleasure. Lions, after all, don’t have wildebeest farms.

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    Edward Reply:

    extremely well said!!! Thank you!

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    bekka Reply:

    thanks. I try :)

  • Dakki Says:

    “Animals taste good” – Animals taste good because every animal relies on their sense of taste to get more nutrition. You might crave citrus, it’s because you need vitamin C. Crave sugar, you’re low on glucose. It’s unfortunate these days we are tricked by companies to desire foods we don’t need. They process food so much that we crave sugar and large amounts of fat to our detriment. Learn your body. Do not be a fool and try to fool it. Fresh meat is what we have been eating for millions of years. We need it.

    “Slaves are useful” – IDIOT!!! you CANNOT compare man to an animal.

    “Women bring me pleasure” – IDIOT!! Women are human. All humans must respect one another.

    “Jews are not a pure race” – What the hell does this have to do with anything?! The Nazis were xenophobic monsters. Always vegans/vegetarians try to compare animals with the holocaust. End of argument. You do not have the brain cells to have a conversation!

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    Edward Sanchez Reply:

    The same conviction you have these people are HUMANS and therefore they deserve respect, the slave lords would say they were WHITE and deserved more respect than BLACKS.

    Their moral conviction was based on RACE – yours is based on SPECIES, someone else’s might be based on GENDER. That was the point I was making.

    Remember that humans are animals, just of a different species, just like blacks and humans, just of a different race – adult humans can do maths and reason and philosophy, but that’s not the reason that a person has rights – if that were the case then mentally disabled people would have no rights.

    If we feel pain in the same exact way that other animals feel, then why do we have a greater right not to feel it?

    Gender, species, race, religion, sexuality – none of those matter when it comes to having the right not to suffer, not to be used, not to be murdered, tortured, etc.

    Animals shouldn’t have the right to vote, to have education, etc, because they have no interest in any of that. But just like us, they have an interest in not suffering, and they should be granted that by us – especially if we are to consider ourselves superior.

    And as far as nutrition, I wonder why vegans outlive meat eaters, have 70% less chance of getting cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, etc. Read a book called The China Study, it gives in depth explanation about human nutrition. It wasn’t written by a vegan or an animal rights activist, but by a scientist and nutritionist who decided to go find out our ideal diet.

    I’m responding to this for the sake of others reading this blog, because unfortunately you don’t sound like the type of person who is willing to learn, to question your morals and your knowledge.

    Please do remember that the Nazis, the slave lords and the extremist muslims would think of you as equally an IDIOT as you think of me for wanting to respect every being without excluding anyone.

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  • Jason Says:

    I love your blog. Great parallels you draw here. I agree whole-heartedly. I think the biggest problem is the fact that the vast majority of people are followers rather than independent thinkers.

    “Hmmmm, what should I do… I wonder what that guy’s doing over there?”

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