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]]> By: Michelle Candaras http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-64633 Michelle Candaras Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:39:03 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-64633 What are you? Where did you come from? You come on here with your little witch hunt and proceed to thrash anyone who exhibits an ounce of human emotion and then tell us all we are "weirdoes" and not fit for the foundation of law? You, my friend, are not fit for the foundation of humanity (which, by the way, is what law is based upon, so take a step back, huh). Why don't you and JN go screw each other, I'm sure he's "man enough" for you. What are you? Where did you come from?

You come on here with your little witch hunt and proceed to thrash anyone who exhibits an ounce of human emotion and then tell us all we are “weirdoes” and not fit for the foundation of law? You, my friend, are not fit for the foundation of humanity (which, by the way, is what law is based upon, so take a step back, huh). Why don’t you and JN go screw each other, I’m sure he’s “man enough” for you.

]]> By: Michelle Candaras http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-64623 Michelle Candaras Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:16:24 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-64623 Where is it that you think I said anything like "animal torture is a more serious moral issue than systematic slavery and mass murder"? Are you delusional or just like to put words in people's mouths to promote your opinion? And for the record, I wasn't basing my opinion of his sociopathic leanings on the fact that he thinks there is a divergence of thought on morality. That's a given. But when you go so far as to say you couldn't give two shits about another living creature simply because it isn't human, I think there's a real problem there - and I'm not alone on that opinion, as much of what academics in the field of animal rights look at is how a lack of compassion for those weaker than us relates to our overall sense of respect for life and actually contributes to all those things you went on about (robbery, slavery, murder, warfare, persecution). Where is it that you think I said anything like “animal torture is a more serious moral issue than systematic slavery and mass murder”? Are you delusional or just like to put words in people’s mouths to promote your opinion? And for the record, I wasn’t basing my opinion of his sociopathic leanings on the fact that he thinks there is a divergence of thought on morality. That’s a given. But when you go so far as to say you couldn’t give two shits about another living creature simply because it isn’t human, I think there’s a real problem there – and I’m not alone on that opinion, as much of what academics in the field of animal rights look at is how a lack of compassion for those weaker than us relates to our overall sense of respect for life and actually contributes to all those things you went on about (robbery, slavery, murder, warfare, persecution).

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]]> By: Chu-hua Zhu http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-16101 Chu-hua Zhu Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:59:42 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-16101 Jan Narveson systematically opposes robbery, slavery, murder, warfare, religious and intellectual persecution and freedom of opinion and action. The fact that you decide to begin your childish psychologizing diagnosis on the fact that he thinks there is an ineradicable human prejudice to morality proves that you are more interested in your pet wanking than facts. If you think 'animal torture' is a more serious moral issue than systemic slavery and mass murder (i.e., warfare) then you are most definitely 'weird'. Jan Narveson systematically opposes robbery, slavery, murder, warfare, religious and intellectual persecution and freedom of opinion and action. The fact that you decide to begin your childish psychologizing diagnosis on the fact that he thinks there is an ineradicable human prejudice to morality proves that you are more interested in your pet wanking than facts.

If you think ‘animal torture’ is a more serious moral issue than systemic slavery and mass murder (i.e., warfare) then you are most definitely ‘weird’.

]]> By: Chu-hua Zhu http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-16100 Chu-hua Zhu Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:57:08 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-16100 Irrelevant strawman, the question is: you have no brain, can I eat you? To which the libertarian answer would be, "prior owners withstanding, yes." Irrelevant strawman, the question is: you have no brain, can I eat you? To which the libertarian answer would be, “prior owners withstanding, yes.”

]]> By: Chu-hua Zhu http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-16099 Chu-hua Zhu Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:56:09 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-16099 Because the marginal cases are the ones wherein classification is dubious. A vegitative person or a retard only have rights because of their prima facie or presumptive (i.e., prior) personage. The marginal cases are technical problems, not philosophical ones. Because the marginal cases are the ones wherein classification is dubious. A vegitative person or a retard only have rights because of their prima facie or presumptive (i.e., prior) personage. The marginal cases are technical problems, not philosophical ones.

]]> By: Chu-hua Zhu http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-16097 Chu-hua Zhu Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:54:08 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-16097 First of all, Narveson is a rationalist which means he will not accept your intuitional, bullshit appeals to emotional justification. The fact that something is weird or even offensive does not make it actionable. You can dislike animal torture, David Duke can dislike black people; and as long as both of you weirdoes mind your own business it's none of mine. Your whims and taste are not fit for the foundation of law. Furthermore, making noises (signaling) is not the same as communicating. Communication means rational, conceptual exchanges both coming and going. Animals get 'rights' as soon as they either petition for them or shoot back. The only reason severely retarded people have 'rights' is because they are prima facie human. Morality is a human construction, and like anything else, can have no justification unless it is through reason and self-interest. Anything else is bogus mystical bullshit. First of all, Narveson is a rationalist which means he will not accept your intuitional, bullshit appeals to emotional justification. The fact that something is weird or even offensive does not make it actionable. You can dislike animal torture, David Duke can dislike black people; and as long as both of you weirdoes mind your own business it’s none of mine. Your whims and taste are not fit for the foundation of law.

Furthermore, making noises (signaling) is not the same as communicating. Communication means rational, conceptual exchanges both coming and going. Animals get ‘rights’ as soon as they either petition for them or shoot back. The only reason severely retarded people have ‘rights’ is because they are prima facie human.

Morality is a human construction, and like anything else, can have no justification unless it is through reason and self-interest. Anything else is bogus mystical bullshit.

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]]> By: Michelle Candaras http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-5323 Michelle Candaras Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:31:20 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-5323 This entire argument doesn't make much sense to me due to one simple fact. The opponents are not tantamount in moral composition. We are unequivocally dealing with one good man and one bad man - and the latter (JN) does little to conceal the stuff he is made of. Narveson offers not one authentic or sensible explanation for his opinions and it is quite plain to see that he is incapable of very basic human emotions. Any qualified psychologist could easily see this individual has the textbook makings of someone with Anti-social Personality Disorder, if he isn't already a full-blown Sociopath. It is well-known that trying to argue with individuals who present with such symptoms or diagnoses is a frustrating exercise in futility. This entire argument doesn’t make much sense to me due to one simple fact. The opponents are not tantamount in moral composition. We are unequivocally dealing with one good man and one bad man – and the latter (JN) does little to conceal the stuff he is made of. Narveson offers not one authentic or sensible explanation for his opinions and it is quite plain to see that he is incapable of very basic human emotions. Any qualified psychologist could easily see this individual has the textbook makings of someone with Anti-social Personality Disorder, if he isn’t already a full-blown Sociopath. It is well-known that trying to argue with individuals who present with such symptoms or diagnoses is a frustrating exercise in futility.

]]> By: Michelle Candaras http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-4028 Michelle Candaras Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:41:31 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-4028 Well, the thing we need to understand, re: LeeAnn, is that there is no such thing as needing animals for nourishment. I am glad that some people still believe that, because that lends opportunity for educating them and allowing them to see the truth. Those people, re: LeeAnn, need to ask and research the claims they make. You will find it is untrue. Not only is it untrue that animals are required for our nourishment, they are actually bad for us. Apex predators need other animals for nourishment, human molecular/digestive systems were not designed the same way. Also, good point, Iro K. Well, the thing we need to understand, re: LeeAnn, is that there is no such thing as needing animals for nourishment. I am glad that some people still believe that, because that lends opportunity for educating them and allowing them to see the truth. Those people, re: LeeAnn, need to ask and research the claims they make. You will find it is untrue. Not only is it untrue that animals are required for our nourishment, they are actually bad for us. Apex predators need other animals for nourishment, human molecular/digestive systems were not designed the same way. Also, good point, Iro K.

]]> By: iro k http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-3739 iro k Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:40:52 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-3739 if i am smarter than you, then can i eat you? if i am smarter than you, then can i eat you?

]]> By: LeeAnn http://www.veganise.me/philosopher-argues-that-the-torture-of-animals-for-food-is-justified#comment-2822 LeeAnn Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:24:25 +0000 http://www.veganise.me/?p=319#comment-2822 There is this weird "it's just how it is" mindset with me and many others. Animals eat other animals-- it's not an uncommon occurrence. The smarter, more agile animals get to eat the slower, less intelligent animals. It's just how it is. Have you ever seen a baby eagle kill its baby brother/sister to optimize the amount of food he or she gets? Or a hawk scoop up a duckling from a pond? It's just nature, people. Humans are smarter than animals, so we eat them. If animals outsmarted us, they'd eat us-- you can bet on that. It's just a fact of life, people. Now do I think we should unneccesarily torture animals? Of course not. But using them for nourishment is a different matter. There is this weird “it’s just how it is” mindset with me and many others. Animals eat other animals– it’s not an uncommon occurrence. The smarter, more agile animals get to eat the slower, less intelligent animals. It’s just how it is. Have you ever seen a baby eagle kill its baby brother/sister to optimize the amount of food he or she gets? Or a hawk scoop up a duckling from a pond? It’s just nature, people. Humans are smarter than animals, so we eat them.

If animals outsmarted us, they’d eat us– you can bet on that.

It’s just a fact of life, people. Now do I think we should unneccesarily torture animals? Of course not. But using them for nourishment is a different matter.

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