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	<title>Comments on: What dies first- the chicken or the egg?</title>
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	<description>Peace begins on your plate</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-34383</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really takes the pleasure out of the morning eggs and toast. Oh well, I prefer berries and nuts as a breakfast food ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really takes the pleasure out of the morning eggs and toast. Oh well, I prefer berries and nuts as a breakfast food ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Censorship Sucks Balls</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Censorship Sucks Balls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The egg issue is one that has no wins. Even if you raise chickens yourself, you still have to do something with the males. If you keep them they will fight. If you kill them then you aren&#039;t much better than those who raise chickens for eggs. The only way to somewhat be ok would be to raise only hens and treat them well. You will have to start with chicks from a breeder who likely killed some of the males though. In the end, there is no way to eat eggs without causing death and/or torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The egg issue is one that has no wins. Even if you raise chickens yourself, you still have to do something with the males. If you keep them they will fight. If you kill them then you aren&#8217;t much better than those who raise chickens for eggs. The only way to somewhat be ok would be to raise only hens and treat them well. You will have to start with chicks from a breeder who likely killed some of the males though. In the end, there is no way to eat eggs without causing death and/or torture.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 02:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still love you, Edward. Sometimes it can be a long process to become fully vegan. Veganism is really becoming more mainstream, and I think it will very soon be so much easier to find more things without eggs in them. In the meantime, it helps to support as many vegan products as you can when you have the choice!
Oh and good for you cutting back on eggs =) Every action counts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still love you, Edward. Sometimes it can be a long process to become fully vegan. Veganism is really becoming more mainstream, and I think it will very soon be so much easier to find more things without eggs in them. In the meantime, it helps to support as many vegan products as you can when you have the choice!<br />
Oh and good for you cutting back on eggs =) Every action counts!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only buy free range eggs. I know it&#039;s not perfect but at least I know the chickens lived a happy life.

The male chicks are apparently &quot;humanely gassed&quot; and fed to zoo animals or put into pet food.

I&#039;ve been having a lot less eggs lately - dont remember the last time. But I still have things that contain eggs. *hides*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only buy free range eggs. I know it&#8217;s not perfect but at least I know the chickens lived a happy life.</p>
<p>The male chicks are apparently &#8220;humanely gassed&#8221; and fed to zoo animals or put into pet food.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been having a lot less eggs lately &#8211; dont remember the last time. But I still have things that contain eggs. *hides*</p>
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		<title>By: amandaperino</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaperino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ruth.  Thanks for your input.  We&#039;re open to all opinions here and don&#039;t mind opposing opinions if they are grounded in fact and have a firm stance in reality.

I&#039;m afraid that you are maybe not seeing the whole picture with battery cages.  The birds have their beaks cut off so that they don&#039;t maim eachother out of frustration due to having no space to roam, no light by which to guide their day, and easy access to food and water.  So, you say that the hens are happy to recieve their food and water right there for them!  And yet they have no beak in which to eat or drink.  If their feet get caught in the wired floors, their toes are simply cut off.

I&#039;m not saying that chickens feel as humans do.  But they certainly do feel, full stop.

And that is the point that we are trying to drive home here.

I honestly don&#039;t care if people want their eggs for 20 cents cheaper than humanely raised eggs.  Saving a couple of cents at the cost of millions of lives of chickens is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ruth.  Thanks for your input.  We&#8217;re open to all opinions here and don&#8217;t mind opposing opinions if they are grounded in fact and have a firm stance in reality.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that you are maybe not seeing the whole picture with battery cages.  The birds have their beaks cut off so that they don&#8217;t maim eachother out of frustration due to having no space to roam, no light by which to guide their day, and easy access to food and water.  So, you say that the hens are happy to recieve their food and water right there for them!  And yet they have no beak in which to eat or drink.  If their feet get caught in the wired floors, their toes are simply cut off.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that chickens feel as humans do.  But they certainly do feel, full stop.</p>
<p>And that is the point that we are trying to drive home here.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t care if people want their eggs for 20 cents cheaper than humanely raised eggs.  Saving a couple of cents at the cost of millions of lives of chickens is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The horrors of the egg industry&quot; only exist inside the minds of humans who are so far removed from animals that they assume animals, in this case, hens, think and feel as humans do.

While some hens might be treated badly in the battery system, most are treated extremely well.

It only seems bad to you because you are a human, a hen is a hen, and it completely different thought processes to you.  A hen doesn&#039;t care about being in a cage and never seeing the sun.  She cares about getting her next meal - and hey, there it is right in front of her, she didn&#039;t have to go searching for it.

Just because you don&#039;t want to eat eggs doesn&#039;t mean millions of other people don&#039;t want to either, and those people want their eggs cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The horrors of the egg industry&#8221; only exist inside the minds of humans who are so far removed from animals that they assume animals, in this case, hens, think and feel as humans do.</p>
<p>While some hens might be treated badly in the battery system, most are treated extremely well.</p>
<p>It only seems bad to you because you are a human, a hen is a hen, and it completely different thought processes to you.  A hen doesn&#8217;t care about being in a cage and never seeing the sun.  She cares about getting her next meal &#8211; and hey, there it is right in front of her, she didn&#8217;t have to go searching for it.</p>
<p>Just because you don&#8217;t want to eat eggs doesn&#8217;t mean millions of other people don&#8217;t want to either, and those people want their eggs cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: leafy</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>leafy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for drawing attention to the horrors of the egg industry. It&#039;s so easy to have an image in our heads of happy chickens walking around outside because that&#039;s all most of us have ever seen. We have to replace these mental images with more accurate ones. You&#039;ve done a great job of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for drawing attention to the horrors of the egg industry. It&#8217;s so easy to have an image in our heads of happy chickens walking around outside because that&#8217;s all most of us have ever seen. We have to replace these mental images with more accurate ones. You&#8217;ve done a great job of that!</p>
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		<title>By: lindsey</title>
		<link>http://www.veganise.me/what-dies-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amanda, yes, tragically sad. It&#039;s those sweet chicks I think about every time I think that buying organic free range eggs might not be so bad.

Diet for a New America is an AMAZING book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amanda, yes, tragically sad. It&#8217;s those sweet chicks I think about every time I think that buying organic free range eggs might not be so bad.</p>
<p>Diet for a New America is an AMAZING book!</p>
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